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		<title>By: Reg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Sam. I&#039;ve opted for a cheap copy of Emotions Revealed via Amazon UK which I hope to get around to reading at some stage during the summer... :) (there&#039;s a long waiting list)
 
Amazing how many books people (or is it just Americans?) can produce on the same subject... and get away with it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Sam. I&#8217;ve opted for a cheap copy of Emotions Revealed via Amazon UK which I hope to get around to reading at some stage during the summer&#8230; <img src='http://pegasusnlpblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  (there&#8217;s a long waiting list)</p>
<p>Amazing how many books people (or is it just Americans?) can produce on the same subject&#8230; and get away with it!</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Salt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Salt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one I&#039;ve read is Telling Lies. It covers quite a bit of the scientific background but it isn&#039;t necessarily an easy read. It&#039;s also rather boring in places but if you really want the information it&#039;s worth the effort. He has another book Emotions Revealed which concentrates just on facial expressions but I&#039;ve not read it. He also has a lot of academic papers and some magazine articles which a web search will turn up. There are links on his own site.

If you want to get the pop view then watch a few episodes of &quot;Lie to Me&quot; on Sky - it&#039;s loosely based on his work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one I&#8217;ve read is Telling Lies. It covers quite a bit of the scientific background but it isn&#8217;t necessarily an easy read. It&#8217;s also rather boring in places but if you really want the information it&#8217;s worth the effort. He has another book Emotions Revealed which concentrates just on facial expressions but I&#8217;ve not read it. He also has a lot of academic papers and some magazine articles which a web search will turn up. There are links on his own site.</p>
<p>If you want to get the pop view then watch a few episodes of &#8220;Lie to Me&#8221; on Sky &#8211; it&#8217;s loosely based on his work.</p>
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		<title>By: Reg</title>
		<link>http://pegasusnlpblog.com/trivialising-nlp/comment-page-1#comment-994</link>
		<dc:creator>Reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sam: Lie Detection: I think there is no question about it that we can fine tune our Sensory Acuity to the point where we can detect the incongruence between verbal and non-verbal messages - even in quite accomplished liars such as confidence tricksters. It just takes a &#039;lot&#039; of dedication and practice to achieve this. The above article is more about the myth that merely watching eye movements obviates the need to practice this sensory acuity...

The work of Paul Ekman and his team certainly would support the mind-body systemic relationship which we subscribe to in NLP. Checked on Google; he&#039;s written a few books - which is best for &#039;lay readers&#039; with not a lot of time to spare? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sam: Lie Detection: I think there is no question about it that we can fine tune our Sensory Acuity to the point where we can detect the incongruence between verbal and non-verbal messages &#8211; even in quite accomplished liars such as confidence tricksters. It just takes a &#8216;lot&#8217; of dedication and practice to achieve this. The above article is more about the myth that merely watching eye movements obviates the need to practice this sensory acuity&#8230;</p>
<p>The work of Paul Ekman and his team certainly would support the mind-body systemic relationship which we subscribe to in NLP. Checked on Google; he&#8217;s written a few books &#8211; which is best for &#8216;lay readers&#8217; with not a lot of time to spare? <img src='http://pegasusnlpblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sam Salt</title>
		<link>http://pegasusnlpblog.com/trivialising-nlp/comment-page-1#comment-985</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Salt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 15:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’ve no argument with the objection to trivialising NLP. I’m interested though in lie detection and whether there is a science to it. Paul Ekman’s work suggests that we can learn to read people’s micro-expressions to see emotions which they can’t disguise and learning to do this might help detect liars. 

One of the things that fascinates me about Ekman’s work is that he and a colleague modelled micro-expressions right down to exactly which muscles were used in each part of the face. One of their findings, which surprised them, was that in moving all the muscles that were used to display an emotion such as anger or sadness they actually generated those feelings in themselves. This strikes me as a great piece of NLP modelling (that wasn’t their intent) but also seems to support some commonplace NLP observations about your feelings being reflected by you physiology. Not only that but the reverse seems to be true – if you can adopt the postures and expressions of happiness, positivity etc then you can start to generate those feelings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve no argument with the objection to trivialising NLP. I’m interested though in lie detection and whether there is a science to it. Paul Ekman’s work suggests that we can learn to read people’s micro-expressions to see emotions which they can’t disguise and learning to do this might help detect liars. </p>
<p>One of the things that fascinates me about Ekman’s work is that he and a colleague modelled micro-expressions right down to exactly which muscles were used in each part of the face. One of their findings, which surprised them, was that in moving all the muscles that were used to display an emotion such as anger or sadness they actually generated those feelings in themselves. This strikes me as a great piece of NLP modelling (that wasn’t their intent) but also seems to support some commonplace NLP observations about your feelings being reflected by you physiology. Not only that but the reverse seems to be true – if you can adopt the postures and expressions of happiness, positivity etc then you can start to generate those feelings.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie O'S</title>
		<link>http://pegasusnlpblog.com/trivialising-nlp/comment-page-1#comment-923</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie O'S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me this is a more general point and it comes down to the old &quot;map is not the territory&quot; adage. A model is not reality, no matter how sophisticated it is. Almost all of the different psychological models I&#039;ve come across that categorise/label people and behaviours only do so in a time/situational frame. 

People love to label and categorise, that is part of what the brain is good at. In my opinion it is a measure of how well someone really &quot;gets it&quot; if they can see beyond this labelling being a fixed (or even long term) thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me this is a more general point and it comes down to the old &#8220;map is not the territory&#8221; adage. A model is not reality, no matter how sophisticated it is. Almost all of the different psychological models I&#8217;ve come across that categorise/label people and behaviours only do so in a time/situational frame. </p>
<p>People love to label and categorise, that is part of what the brain is good at. In my opinion it is a measure of how well someone really &#8220;gets it&#8221; if they can see beyond this labelling being a fixed (or even long term) thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Roskrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Roskrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to be getting live commentary, especially for me as a wonderful reminder and prompt about just how great that first week at Avon Tyrell was, and how much my mental state changed...it took around three days for me to be able to turn down the inner voice so I could listen and learn without a running commentary; and just how good did that feel! Have an awesome end to the week everyone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to be getting live commentary, especially for me as a wonderful reminder and prompt about just how great that first week at Avon Tyrell was, and how much my mental state changed&#8230;it took around three days for me to be able to turn down the inner voice so I could listen and learn without a running commentary; and just how good did that feel! Have an awesome end to the week everyone!</p>
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		<title>By: Reg</title>
		<link>http://pegasusnlpblog.com/trivialising-nlp/comment-page-1#comment-918</link>
		<dc:creator>Reg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Iain, great to have a blog comment live from Avon Lodge! Looks like you and the team will have a wondefully sunny final day for Core Skills with Jon.

Thanks, again, for your original question. It was so typical that it finally spurrred me into commenting - hence the original blog post last Saturday. As for not being qualified to join in the debate... Quite the contrary. Who better than someone qho is right in situ exploring Pegasus-style NLP for the first time :-).

Have fun putting it into practise over the next few weeks/months!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Iain, great to have a blog comment live from Avon Lodge! Looks like you and the team will have a wondefully sunny final day for Core Skills with Jon.</p>
<p>Thanks, again, for your original question. It was so typical that it finally spurrred me into commenting &#8211; hence the original blog post last Saturday. As for not being qualified to join in the debate&#8230; Quite the contrary. Who better than someone qho is right in situ exploring Pegasus-style NLP for the first time <img src='http://pegasusnlpblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>Have fun putting it into practise over the next few weeks/months!</p>
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		<title>By: Iain Menzies</title>
		<link>http://pegasusnlpblog.com/trivialising-nlp/comment-page-1#comment-916</link>
		<dc:creator>Iain Menzies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came to Avon Tyrell this week with very little if any knowledge of NLP despite my partner having completed Part 1 and 2 ( a testement, I guess, to her understanding that NLP should be an experience rather than be represented by a number of quick sound bites). 

I was the culprit who asked the question, on this occasion anyway, of how one may access thought processes et al lie detector. At the time I was unaware of just how trivial and undermining this concept was. A mere four days later I realise that I have been on a spiritual journey that has huge potential to fundamentally change my view of the World and that NLP is for me, a potent tool to enable me to become a more effective human being. Perhaps a little self indulgent but wonderfully exciting. 

I am, at this moment anyway, wholely unqualified to join the debate. However, it&#039;s my intention to continue the process and will in future be diligent in communicating NLP myth free. 

As a footnote, it&#039;s a testament to your teaching skills Reg, that when I first read your above blogg, I took full responsibility for your reaction and that after a few  reframing exercises I now take none :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came to Avon Tyrell this week with very little if any knowledge of NLP despite my partner having completed Part 1 and 2 ( a testement, I guess, to her understanding that NLP should be an experience rather than be represented by a number of quick sound bites). </p>
<p>I was the culprit who asked the question, on this occasion anyway, of how one may access thought processes et al lie detector. At the time I was unaware of just how trivial and undermining this concept was. A mere four days later I realise that I have been on a spiritual journey that has huge potential to fundamentally change my view of the World and that NLP is for me, a potent tool to enable me to become a more effective human being. Perhaps a little self indulgent but wonderfully exciting. </p>
<p>I am, at this moment anyway, wholely unqualified to join the debate. However, it&#8217;s my intention to continue the process and will in future be diligent in communicating NLP myth free. </p>
<p>As a footnote, it&#8217;s a testament to your teaching skills Reg, that when I first read your above blogg, I took full responsibility for your reaction and that after a few  reframing exercises I now take none <img src='http://pegasusnlpblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Peter Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 12:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As passionate NLPers, I believe that we need to demonstrate the difference between the “sheep dipping” type of training being offered by certain companies and the intense, experiential and very personal journeys that we have been though. 

Personally. this has manifested its self in three ways, trying to live by the presuppositions of NLP, referring to it when I have used NLP and being willing to engage in the conversation when asked about the “other uses” of NLP.

I have on a couple of occasions considered not mentioning NLP. For instance, whist on my practitioner training, I didn’t include it on my CV, thinking that the interviewers might be concerned about “manipulation”. I also wondered about letting my team know about my NLP training and journey. 

In the end, I updated the CV, the conversations with the team have resulted in several of them asking for more information and more recently asking for some sessions, even though several other conversation are still ongoing. ( a consultant colleague who was trained to use NLP to close a deal,  a doctor who is convinced I have been programmed )

It is hard to escape the misrepresentation of NLP, I ran a search on the Apple apps store last night and was again presented with the usual mix of genuine content alongside the usual selection of manipulation and seduction products. 

I agree with Carons comments. I am trying to be an NLP evangelist, whist respecting everyones right to their view and avoiding becoming an NLP bore. 

Keeping quiet, can be a safe and easier route in the short term, it could also result in NLP losing its credibility and all the empowering, life changing knowledge not being shared with  as many people as possible

We all need to act, by doing what we do and being who we are. 

Sorry for the rant...it touched a hot button, not one I want to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As passionate NLPers, I believe that we need to demonstrate the difference between the “sheep dipping” type of training being offered by certain companies and the intense, experiential and very personal journeys that we have been though. </p>
<p>Personally. this has manifested its self in three ways, trying to live by the presuppositions of NLP, referring to it when I have used NLP and being willing to engage in the conversation when asked about the “other uses” of NLP.</p>
<p>I have on a couple of occasions considered not mentioning NLP. For instance, whist on my practitioner training, I didn’t include it on my CV, thinking that the interviewers might be concerned about “manipulation”. I also wondered about letting my team know about my NLP training and journey. </p>
<p>In the end, I updated the CV, the conversations with the team have resulted in several of them asking for more information and more recently asking for some sessions, even though several other conversation are still ongoing. ( a consultant colleague who was trained to use NLP to close a deal,  a doctor who is convinced I have been programmed )</p>
<p>It is hard to escape the misrepresentation of NLP, I ran a search on the Apple apps store last night and was again presented with the usual mix of genuine content alongside the usual selection of manipulation and seduction products. </p>
<p>I agree with Carons comments. I am trying to be an NLP evangelist, whist respecting everyones right to their view and avoiding becoming an NLP bore. </p>
<p>Keeping quiet, can be a safe and easier route in the short term, it could also result in NLP losing its credibility and all the empowering, life changing knowledge not being shared with  as many people as possible</p>
<p>We all need to act, by doing what we do and being who we are. </p>
<p>Sorry for the rant&#8230;it touched a hot button, not one I want to change.</p>
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		<title>By: Caron King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caron King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 21:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m almost evangelical about how &#039;bad&#039; and &#039;fast track&#039; and &#039;self centred&#039; NLP is so very different from the values driven, treat others with respect, take responsibility for your own actions NLP which I have been so gently and meticulously taught.  NLP has changed my life, and I really struggle when people dismiss it as fake, fraud, or psycobabble. Learning NLP in a week cannot be the same as feeling it, experiencing it, internalising and getting NLP into one&#039;s &#039;soul&#039;. It is a hugely powerful tool which needs to be treated with respect. And it is a prime example of where a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.  So I am doing all that I can to trumpet the good in good NLP training - and, with respect, to point out the difference between that and fast-fix, fast track &#039;book&#039; learned NLP.  They&#039;re two very different animals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m almost evangelical about how &#8216;bad&#8217; and &#8216;fast track&#8217; and &#8216;self centred&#8217; NLP is so very different from the values driven, treat others with respect, take responsibility for your own actions NLP which I have been so gently and meticulously taught.  NLP has changed my life, and I really struggle when people dismiss it as fake, fraud, or psycobabble. Learning NLP in a week cannot be the same as feeling it, experiencing it, internalising and getting NLP into one&#8217;s &#8216;soul&#8217;. It is a hugely powerful tool which needs to be treated with respect. And it is a prime example of where a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.  So I am doing all that I can to trumpet the good in good NLP training &#8211; and, with respect, to point out the difference between that and fast-fix, fast track &#8216;book&#8217; learned NLP.  They&#8217;re two very different animals.</p>
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